Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00113)

THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE IN THE LETTERS THEMSELVES IS ALL THAT 
IS NEEDED TO REFUTE THEIR CLAIM TO A HIGHER SOURCE. I 
SUPPOSE THAT AS LONG AS PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE SUCH UTTER 
NONSENSE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT THOSE WHO ARE NOT 
ENTHRALLED BY IT CAN DO TO DISILLUSION THEM.
 
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. THAT THE LETTERS ARE NOT FROM 
ANY SUCH THING AS A HIGHER SOURCE, OR ASCENDED MASTER IS 
SELF EVIDENT. THERE IS NOTHING HIGHER OR SUPER HUMAN 
CONTAINED IN THEM AT ALL. ANYTHING WORTHWHILE IN THEM HAS 
BEEN TAKEN FROM OTHER REAL-WORLD EARTHLY SOURCES. THE 
LETTERS WERE OBVIOUSLY A MERE RUSE TO PROVIDE CREDIBILITY TO 
HPB AND HER FRIENDS AMONG THEIR SELF-DELUDED, CREDULOUS 
FOLLOWERS.

HPB AND FRIENDS WERE ALL PERSONS AFFLICTED WITH SPECIAL-
NESS...THE NEED TO EXALT THEMSELVES ABOVE OTHER HUMAN 
BEINGS THROUGH THE CREATION OF A PATHOLOGICAL MUTUAL-
APPRECIATION SOCIETY OF FELLOW ELITISTS. 

THE MAHATMAS GAVE THEM ALL SPECIAL-NESS. THEIR PROUD 
KNOWER / GNOSTIC FOLLOWERS TODAY ARE ALSO AFFLICTED WITH 
THE PATHOLOGICAL DESIRE FOR SPECIAL-NESS. THIS DRIVES THEM 
AND IS WHY THEY CAN NEVER LET GO OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE SO-
CALLED MAHATMAS / ASCENDED MASTERS. 

THE MASTERS MUST BE REAL, OR THEY LOSE THEIR SPECIAL-NESS 
AND BECOME LIKE, OR LESS, THAN EVERYONE ELSE. THEY BECOME 
SELF-DELUDED AND DELUDING FOOLS WHO HAVE INVESTED THEIR 
LIVES IN A CRUDE HOAX. THUS THE 'MAHATMAS', ASCENDED 
MASTERS, OR 'MASTERED BEINGS' HAVE BECOME THE ALL-CONSUMING 
SELF-DEFINING REALITY OF THEIR FANATICAL BELIEVERS. NO 
AMOUNT OF REASON WILL EVER PRY THEM LOOSE FROM FROM 
THESE 'MASTERS', THEY ARE IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE. THEY HAVE 
DEEP-SEATED PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS TO HANG-ON TO THEIR SPECIAL-
NESS, AND THE MASTERS ALONE PROVIDE IT. 
 
THEY WOULD NOT NEED THEIR ASCENDED MASTERS TO SAVE THEM 
FROM UN-SPECIAL-NESS IN AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF SAMSARA. AS IT 
IS, THESE PATHETIC BEINGS ARE DESPERATE TO HANG ON TO THEIR 
PRIVILEGED POSITION IN PROXIMATION TO THE MASTERS, WHO GIVE 
THEM SPECIAL-NESS, SAVING THEM FROM BEING LIKE ALL OTHER 
SOULS. 
 
ALL LONG AS PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL THEMSELVES BETTER OR 
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO INVENT THOUGHT 
SYSTEMS THAT MAKE THEM A SPECIAL ELITE DUE TO RACE 
OR 'KNOWLEDGE', PROXIMITY TO ALIENS OR ASCENDED MASTERS 
ETC. THESE CADRES OF ELITISTS WILL REINFORCE EACHOTHERS' 
SENSE OF SPECIAL-NESS AND HAVE A DIVISIVE EFFECT IN HUMAN 
SOCIETY. 
 
THE PROBLEM WITH THEOSOPHISTS IS NOT THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT 
THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL, IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO 
BELIEVE THAT THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL. 
 
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WAKE SOMEONE AS LONG AS THEY ARE 
PRETENDING TO SLEEP. 
 
 
Editor: Someone wrote the "white" lineage of Tibet is the Kargyu 
lineage… 

THERE WAS A COMPLEX YUGA (WORLD EON or AGE), LILA (ACTIVITY)  
AND VARNA (OCCUPATIONAL PREDISPOSITION) ASSOCIATED WITH 
THE SYMBOLISM OF VARIOUS COLORS. APPEARED AS BLACK (BLUE) , 
GREEN, WHITE, RED AND YELLOW IN DIFFERENT YUGAS OR LOKAS 
(LOCATIONS / WORLDS) AND LILAS (PLAY ACTIVITIES) . THESE KIND 
OF COLORS ARE SEEN IN THE SACRED ART OF VISHNU, SHIVA (AND 
THEIR SHAKTIS), AND IN PURE LAND BUDDHISM, INCLUDING THE 
TIBETAN TRADITION, FOR INSTANCE IN THE CULTS OF WHITE TARA, 
GREEN TARA ETC. BARAHA (BOAR FORM OF VISHNU) IS OFTEN RED, 
MAHAKALA (TIME FORM OF SHIVA OR KRISHNA) IS BLACK OR BLUE, 
LOKESVARA IS OFTEN BLUE, MANJUSHRI MAY BE WHITE ETC. ON THE 
TANGKAS, THE DIRECTIONS AND PRESIDING FORMS OF THE DEITY ON 
THE MANDALA / YANTRA WILL BE RENDERED IN A COMPLEX SYMBOLIC 
COLOR SCHEME. THE EMANATIONS AND INCARNATIONS OF THE LORD 
AND HIS SHAKTI, LADY TARA, WILL BE COLORED IN KEEPING WITH THE 
ANCIENT TRADITIONS RELATIVE TO THE DOCTRINES OF YUGA, GUNA, 
LILA, VARNA, LOKA, DIRECTION, VYUHA, AVATARAS, AND VARIOUS 
LINEAGES ETC REFERING TO INDIC TRADTIONS FOR CROSS-
CHECKING THE MEANINGS OF THESE YANTRAS, REVEALS THAT THERE 
IS NO AUTHENTIC ANCIENT CASE IN WHICH ANY ACTUAL RACIAL 
CONNOTATIION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM .  
 
IN FACT, THE SANKSRIT WORDS FOR BLACK AND BLUE MAY READILY 
BE EXCHANGED OR CONFOUNDED. THIS IS SO COMMON, THAT 
KRISHNA IS ROUTINELY PICTURED AS EITHER BLACK OR BLUE. IN 
NEITHER CASE IS HIS BLACKNESS A HUMAN 'BLACKNESS' . IN THE 
SAME WAY, THE WHITE SKIN OF SUKLA BALA IS SNOW-WHITE, NOT 
A 'CAUCASIAN' HUMAN SKIN-TONE. THE COLORS OF THE VARNAS, 
WHITE FOR BRAHMINS, RED FOR KSHATRIYAS, YELLOW FOR VAISHAS  
AND BLACK FOR SUDRAS HAS NO RACIAL CONNOTATION IN THE 
AUTHENTIC SOURCES. 

AGAIN WE SEE THAT THE LATE THEOSOPHISTS REINTERPRETED 
THESE TRADITIONS AS SUPPORTING THEIR IDEAS OF RACIST 
ARYANISM.  
TO MAKE THE ARYANS WHITES AND RACISTS, THEY HAD TO REMOVE 
VISHNU, SHIVA AND LOKESVARA , THE 'BLACK' (BLUE SAME WORD) 
GODS OF THE ARYANS FROM THE PICTURE ! IT SIMPLY WOULD NOT 
BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE ARYANS TO WORSHIP A 'BLACK' GOD. SO 
USING ATHEISTIC ADVAITA VEDANTIST WORD JUGGLERY, THEY 
REMOVED THE 'ARYANS' DEITY OUT OF HIS OWN SCRIPTURES. THEY 
EITHER RE-CREATED RAMA AND KRISHNA AS ARYAN RACE HEROES, OR 
THEY EXPLAINED THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES. SINCE THE 
IMPERSONALIST AND ATHEIST MAYAVADI HINDUS AND THERAVADIN 
BUDDHIST HAD ALREADY REMOVED THE DEITY FROM 'HINDUISM' 
AND 'BUDDHISM', 

THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF EXTREME CORRUPTION OF TRADITION 
THAT THE 'HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL' KIND OF GNOSTIC RACE 
FANATICS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN CHRISTIANITY. GOD / JESUS 
MUST BE RECAST AS A RACIAL ARYAN, OR REJECTED ENTIRELY.  
HUMANITY'S TIME-DEPTH MEMORY IS USUALLY ONLY AS OLD AS ONE 
OR TWO GENERATIONS. IF A NEW GENERATION IS RAISED WITH NO 
ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PAST, OR ITS RELIGIOUS 
TRADITIONS, THEN IT MAY BE INDOCTRINATED WITH PRACTICALLY 
ANY IDEOLOGY OR HISTORICAL WORLD VIEW. UNDER THE BRITISH IN 
INDIA, IT WAS FORBIDDEN FOR AUTHENTIC VAISHNAVAS TO TEACH 
THE BHAGAVAD-GITA IN THE SCHOOLS. THE AUTHENTIC GITA OF SRI 
KRISHNA WAS CONSIDERED TOO POLITICALLY DANGEROUS. THE 
CHINESE TRIED TO WIPE-OUT PURE LAND BUDDHISM IN CHINA AND 
HAVE ALL BUT DESTROYED AUTHENTIC TIBETAN BUDDHISM. THEY 
HAVE ALSO EMPLOYED CORRUPTION AND CONTROL OF THE TRADITION 
ITSELF TO DO THIS. THE CHINESE HAVE TRIED TO CORRUPT 
CATHOLICISM BY CREATING AND CONTROLLING THEIR OWN STATE-
RUN CHINESE 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'. IN THE SAME WAY, THE EURO-
ARYANISTS TRIED TO USE THE RELIGION OF THE ARYAS TO SUPPORT 
THEIR RACIST AGENDA, BY RE-CASTING RAMA AND KRISHNA AS ARYAN 
RACE HEROES. THE MUSLIMS REDACTED HINDU TEXTS TO CONTROL 
THE MASSES OF INDIA. MUCH OF THE KORAN ITSELF IS A RE-
WORKING OF JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TRADITON. SOME MUSLIM 
NATIONS FORBID THE POSSESSION OF A REAL BIBLE UNDER PAIN OF 
DEATH. HITLER TRIED TO USE TEUTONIC PAGAN TRADITIONS TO HIS 
ADVANTAGE IN UNIFYING THE GERMANIC PEOPLES. RELIGION HAS 
ALWAYS BEEN USED, CORRUPTED AND ABUSED FOR THE PURPOSES OF 
CONQUEST AND SOCIAL CONTROL. 
 
SO ON ONE HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT 'ARYA' MEANS THE 'WHITE 
RACE', AND ON THE OTHER HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT IT IS A 
RELIGIOUS, SYMBOLIC TERM WITH NO RACIAL CONNOTATION AT ALL.   
THUS SANSKRIT TERMS LIKE 'ARYA' AND 'KRISHNA' ARE INTERPRETED 
AND REINTERPRETED, ACCORDING TO THEIR CONTEXT, ANY WAY IT 
SUITS THE THEOSOPHISTS AT THE MOMENT. ARYA ONLY MEANS 
RACE WHEN THEY WANT IT TO !
 
THE LORD'S EMANATIONS / THEOPHANIES, YUGA , LILA AND GUNA 
AVATARAS AND MURTI AND TANGKA FORMS OF COLOR, CLEARLY 
REVEAL THE ANCIENT AUTHENTIC USES OF THIS SYMBOLISM, DEVOID 
OF ANY REFERENCE TO MUNDANE COLOR OR RACISM. 

. IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A 
MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE VARIEGATED BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF 
OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE IMMATERIAL REALM. NO 
WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE BLACKNESS OF SRI KRISHNA 
ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS 
ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY ! IN 
THIS WORK, THE BLUE / BLACK MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF 
THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS 
AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE 
TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND 
IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-BLACK / GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE 
ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS 
BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN RACE 
HERO TEACHING ADVAITA VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A 
DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A 
BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE 
IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION OF 
THE ARYANISTS WITH REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE 
ARYANISTS WANT THE GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY 
INSIST THAT THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED ADVAITA 
VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI 
SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER 
BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS TANTRIC DEVA / GOD.    




A CROSS-CULTURAL CHECK ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE SUPREME 
LORD IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REGION WAS ALSO COMMONLY 
DEPICTED IN NON-WHEN WE COME HEREW WE TRY TO RECREATE THE 
BEUATIFUL COLORS OF THE SUPER-MUNDANE REALM, BUT ARE ONLY 
ABLE TO EMBODY OURSELVES IN EARTHY SHADES / HUMAN COLORS.  
HOWEVER WHEN GOD STEPS INTO OUR WORLD, HE CAN REVEAL 
HIMSELF IN THE BEAUTY OF IN-HUMAN COLORS. THUS OSIRIS WAS 
BLUE, BLACK, GREEN, RED OR YELLOW. SKR (SUKLA / SUKRA BALA) OR 
SOKAR WAS WHITE. HERI WAS DEPICTED IN A VARIETY OF COLORS 
JUST LIKE OSIRIS. THE SUPREME FATHER-GOD WAS OFTEN BLUE. ( I 
WILL INSERT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BELOW). IN VAISHNAVA 
TRADITION IT IS ASSERTED THAT THOSE IN THE TRANSCENDENT 
SPIRITUAL SKY HAVE NON-MATERIAL FORMS WITH COLORS 
SOMETHING LIKE THE FLOWER COLORS OF OUR WORLD ! SRI 
KRISHNA'S TRANSCENDENTAL PLAYMATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE 
GREEN, BLUE, YELLOW ETC. IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF 
RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE VARIEGATED 
BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE 
IMMATERIAL REALM. NO WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE 
BLACKNESS OF SRI KRISHNA ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL 
MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST 
SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY ! IN THIS WORK, THE BLUE / BLACK 
MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS 
TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED 
WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND 
BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-BLACK / 
GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA 
WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS 
RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN RACE HERO TEACHING ADVAITA 
VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN 
EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS 
SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT 
KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARYANISTS WITH 
REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE ARYANISTS WANT THE 
GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY INSIST THAT THE KRISHNA 
OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED ADVAITA VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND 
THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS 
VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS 
TANTRIC DEVA / GOD.  
So I don't care what Daniel C.Caldwell calls me, last week he called 
me "jasmine." Fact is my name is Brian, but never mind on-line you can 
call me anything you want, John or Max, or Brenda or Fritz or Joanne, 
whatever. 

The real issue is that since Daniel H. Caldwell has no answers to the 
question posted he must know the Mahatma Letters are a concocted 
Fraud.

Otherwise how does Daniel H. Caldwell explains something like"

Or that "Koot Hoomi"'s claim that "..." ?

Daniel H. Caldwell also circumvents the issues reg. the `MASTER' that 
THEY CLAIM TO BE MASTERS OF ANCIENT INDIAN OR "ESOTERIC 
BUDDHIST" TRADITION, R WATEVER, BUT GIVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY 
REAL MASTERY OF THESE TRADITIONS AT ALL. AT BEST THEY 
APPEAR TO BE HIGHLY EDUCATED WESTERNERS AND UNDISCIPLINED 
HINDU-BUDDHIST NEOPHYTES.

THEIR 'VOICE' IS ALL WRONG FOR REAL ANCIENT ADEPTS, AND THE 
MASTERFUL CONTENT OF THEIR LETTERS IS LAUGHABLE. I WILL 
ASK "WHAT ARE THE AUTHORS OF THESE LETTERS THE MASTERS 
OF ? IF THESE LETTERS ARE THEIR CREDENTIALS, THEN WHAT IS 
THEIR APPARENT QUALIFICATION FOR TEACHING ?" WHERE IS THE 
PROOF IN THE LETTERS THAT THESE "MAHATMAS" ARE WHAT AND 
WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE ? IF THEY KNEW THE TRUTH 
ABOUT "INDIAN" AND EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS ETC. BACK THEN, THEN 
WHY DID THEY TEACH SO MUCH UTTER NONSENSE AND MISLEAD 
PEOPLE ? " THE 'MASTERS' CAN BE EXPOSED JUST BY EXAMINING 
THEIR CLAIMED EXPERTISE. WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS EVIDENT IN 'THEIR' 
LETTERS? LET US GIVE THESE 'MASTERS' AN EXAM ON REAL-WORLD 
INDO-ASIAN OR EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS. THEY WILL FAIL. DO YOU 
THINK THAT THEY WILL SHOW-UP AGAIN TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD 
WHY THEY FAILED ? 

SURELY THEIR SELF-DELUDED CHELAS WILL RATIONALIZE THEIR 
ERRORS AND OMISSIONS AND CONTRADICTIONS, BUT ANYONE, WHO 
NOT SO ENTHRALLED TO THEM, WILL SEE THAT THE 'MASTERS' WERE 
MASTERS OF EXACTLY WHAT HPB AND FRIENDS WERE MASTERS OF, 
AND NOTHING MORE.
  
 
--- In theos-talk@y..., <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Nov 8 2002
> 
> Dear Friends :
> 
> In recent weeks we have been discussing the subject of Man's 
evolution
> and the 7-fold nature of our Earth as represented in the "Globes"
> ( see S D I 200 diagram ).
> 
> This subject was discussed at length in the "OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY".
> 
> 
> Here are some answers that were published on this subject in 
ANSWERS
> TO QUESTIONS AT AN INFORMAL "OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY" CLASS -- 
by R.
> Crosbie.
> 
> Perhaps this might help us
> 
> D T B
> 
> =============================
> 
> CHAPTER III
> 
> THE EARTH CHAIN ( OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY ) p. 50 A to Q.
> 
> Summary
> 
> THE doctrine respecting the Earth.
> It is seven fold also.
> It is one of a chain of seven corresponding to man.
> The whole seven are not in a chain separated as to members, but they
> inter penetrate each other.
> The Earth chain is the rein carnation of a former old and now dead
> chain.
> This old chain was one of which our Moon is the visible
> representative.
> Moon now dead and contracting.
> Venus, Mars, etc., are living members of other similar chains to ours.
> A mass of Egos for each chain.
> The number, though incalculable, is definite.
> Their course of evolution through the seven globes.
> In each a certain part of our nature is developed.
> At the fourth globe (OUR POSITION NOW) the process of 
condensation is
> be gun and reaches its limit.
> 
> 
==============================================
> 
> INTRODUCTORY REMARKS
> 
> In our study of the "Ocean", we must ever bear in mind the sequence 
of
> its chapters.
> 
> The First Chapter presents the fact, as well as evidence of, the
> existence of Masters of Wisdom, the results of evolution of past
> civilizations. It is from this body of perfected human beings that all
> Divine Teachers and Reformers have come; all great religions of the
> world have sprung from teachings of one or more of Their number. 
What
> They have given out to Their disciples and to the people of any
> period, was necessarily limited to the power of assimilation and use
> by the minds of the time, but the basic ideas and principles have ever
> been the same.
> 
> That which is now given out by Them is known as "Theosophy," and 
has
> been recorded in books accessible to every one, and is in fact a more
> complete revelation than the world has any record of. Because of the
> general intelligence of this present .period, it was possible to so
> present the knowledge the Masters desired to convey to humanity-in
> books, a fact which avoids the danger of intermediaries and
> interpreters, with their assumed authoritative statements and
> perversions, and places, the enquirer face to face with the "message"
> itself.
> 
> 
> The Second Chapter, as we have seen, deals with the general laws
> governing the universe as a whole; and the present Third Chapter 
deals
> particularly with our Earth, its nature and formation; its relation to
> other planets, its present stage of development, and that of the human
> egos who people it and are definitely connected with it, as well as
> the sever al stages yet before us and it.
> 
> 
> Under the general laws governing all manifestation on Earth is shown
> to be of a seven-fold nature, its evolution or unfolding proceeding
> from within- from the finest substance by successive stages to the
> most dense and concrete forms of matter. We will therefore 
understand
> that all forms and all beings unfold in a similar way, and that in,
> each case all the stages of densification, are present and intermingle
> at every point; in other words, the first state of substance is not
> destroyed or changed by the formation of the more concrete stages; 
the
> second stage is contained within the first, the third stage within the
> first and second and soon; at the same tine these stages must not be
> conceived of as being separate like the layers of an onion, but as
> being ever, present one within the other at every point, intermingled
> and interblended.
> 
> And we have further to remember that IT IS CONSCIOUSNESS AND
> INTELLIGENCE that are the producers of every form and state of
> substance or matter; from the smallest atom to the most highly 
evolved
> being, EVERY FORM IS AN EXPRESSION OF THE DEGREE OF 
INTELLIGENCE
> WITHIN.
> 
> 
==============================================
============
> 
> Questions & Answers
> 
> 
> Q. The chapter speaks of "Egos" coming from the Moon chain, should 
we
> not rather call them "Monads"?
> 
> A. Why should we call them monads when the Teacher says "Egos"? 
Ego
> means a self-conscious being, the triad Atma-Buddhi-Manas, 
and "Monad"
> refers to Atma-Buddhi, the universal spirit and the consciousness
> unfolded in every kingdom and every class of being. "Monad" applies to
> the mineral, vegetable, animal and human-as well as other kingdoms 
not
> under consideration.
> 
> 
> Q. What is meant by the Earth "is an entity and not a mere lump of
> gross matter"?
> 
> A. There is no such thing as gross matter existing of itself. All
> forms of matter are the productions of different degrees of
> intelligence. The earth is an entity because it is a combination of
> many degrees of intelligence in their evolved forms. Our bodies are
> entities; they are composed of many small lives, all working
> co-ordinately for the benefit and use of the greater intelligence
> which brought them together-the ego-and who has trained them in 
their
> separate modes of co-ordinate action.
> 
> 
> Q. Has the Earth a synthetic consciousness, a ruling intelligence?
> 
> A. Not in the sense of any particular being. The so-called Rulers of
> the earth and the seven planets most directly connected with the
> earth-such as Venus, Mars, Mercury, etc.,-are classes of beings, each
> class constituting a hierarchy, the influence of which acts as a whole
> upon other classes. Each hierarchy has its own specific quality and
> kind of influence. The synthetic or binding power is that of the
> spiritually self-conscious beings; the universe is ruled and guided
> from within.
> p.52
> 
> 
> Q. In the Secret Doctrine (Vol. II, page 87) it says: "There was a
> spiritual, a psychic, an intellectual, and an animal evolution, from
> the highest to the lowest, as well as a physical development-from the
> simple and homogeneous, up to the more complex and 
heterogeneous . . .
> " Then the physical and animal are not the same?
> 
> A. Evidently not. The word "animal" in this case means the evolution
> from below, from the mineral and vegetable kingdoms to the animal;
> whereas "physical" here means a form evolved from the matter (lives)
> of the three lower kingdoms by self conscious beings (egos) for their
> occupation, use, and as instruments on the terrestrial plane. The
> physical evolution is the link which affords contact for
> self-conscious entities with the lower world.
> 
> 
> Q. What is a Round?
> 
> A. As the Secret Doctrine discloses, there are seven states or
> conditions of our Earth united in one mass. Evolution begins in the
> highest state of substance and works downward upon and through 
three
> further more condensed stages, making four in all; having reached the
> fourth or lowest stage, evolution works upward through the stages
> produced and worked in during the descent, all the experience gained
> in the descent being carried into the higher stages. Each time the
> evolution begins in the highest stage and returns to it again is
> called a "Round".
> 
> 
> Q. What does each Round produce?
> 
> A. To give the Sanscrit 'words which designate the elements produced
> would not be useful at present, but we can understand the significance
> of such words as Fire, Air, Water, Earth as correspondences. Each
> Round develops One Element and a nature and humanity 
corresponding to
> it. The Earth, such as we know it now, had no existence before the
> Fourth Round. The earth was fiery, cool and radiant, as were its
> ethereal men and animals during the First Round; luminous and more
> dense and heavy during the Second Round; watery during the Third;
> earthy during the Fourth Round. With the evolution of the elements
> comes the development of the senses. Each element adds to its own
> characteristics those of its predecessor-thus: ( from S D II 107 )
> 
> 1. Ether Hearing Sound
> 
> 2. Air Touch Sound and Touch
> 
> 3. Fire Sight Sound, Touch and Color
> 
> 4. Water Taste Sound, Touch, Color, Taste
> 
> 5. Earth Smell Sound, Touch, Color, Taste, Smell
> 
> Ether corresponds to Sound-vibration, and precedes the differentiated
> elements. Air properly comes next, for it is everywhere felt; the
> others follow in natural sequence.
> 
> 
> Q. Why is it that while we are in the Fourth Round only we have Five
> Senses?
> 
> A. We are past the middle point of the Fourth Round, but we are in the
> Fifth Sub-Race of the Fifth Root Race. Animals have five senses as
> well as Men.
> 
> 
> Q. Why is it that animals have keener senses than Men?
> 
> A. Animals depend upon their senses for selecting food, avoiding
> dangers, etc. In their wild state these senses are very keen because
> of that dependence; domesticated animals lose much of that keen 
ness.
> Man depends upon mind and desire, the senses being largely 
auxiliaries
> to desire, and also being dulled by excessive and abnormal variety of
> usage.
> 
> 
> Q. What is a Round? Would circling around the seven centers of
> consciousness on one plane of sub stance be a Round?
> 
> A. The answer to, "What does a Round pro duce?", in a previous
> question should be thought over. The latter part of the question is
> ambiguous. Each unit is a center of consciousness. All units pass
> through seven states of substance, beginning with the most ethereal to
> the most concrete (the fourth stage, the physical) then ascending from
> that stage through and back to the most ethereal again plus the
> experience gained. Each Round repeats this "circling" in a more
> condensed way until the middle point of the Fourth Round, when the
> process tends towards an etherealization in each succeeding Round,
> until at the end of the Seventh Round all units have arrived again at
> the starting point plus the experience gained. (See Diagram, page 153,
> S. D. Vol. I.)
> 
> 
> Q. What is the "Fourth Dimension"?
> 
> A. The term is a mistaken one: there are not "four dimensions," but
> "three"-viz., length, breadth and thickness. What scientists are
> endeavoring to postulate in the use of such a term is a perception of
> the characteristics of matter beyond the generally recognized
> three-dimensional one. The following from the Secret Doctrine is on
> this subject :-"Matter has extension, colour, motion (molecular
> motion), taste, and smell, corresponding to the existing senses of
> man, and by the time that it fully develops the next
> characteristic-let us call it for the moment PERMEABILITY-this will
> correspond to the next sense of man-let us call it 'NORMAL
> CLAIRVOYANCE'; thus, when some bold thinkers have been thirsting 
for a
> fourth dimension to ex plain the passage of matter through matter, 
and
> the production of knots upon an endless cord, what they were really in
> want of, was a sixth characteristic of matter. The three dimensions
> belong really but to one at tribute or characteristic of
> matter-extension; and popular common sense justly rebels against the
> idea that under any condition of things there can be more than three
> of such dimensions as length, breadth, and thick ness. These terms,
> and the term 'dimension' itself, all belong to one plane of thought,
> to one stage of evolution, to one characteristic of matter . . . from
> the time the idea of measurement first occupied a place in the human
> understanding, it has been possible to apply measurement in three
> directions and no more. But these considerations do not militate in
> any way against the certainty that in the progress of time-as the
> faculties of humanity are multiplied-so will the characteristics of
> matter be multiplied also." (S. D. Vol. I, pages 251, 252.)
> 
> 
> Q. Are the preceding Globes contained in the ones that follow?
> 
> A. Neither the primordial substance from which all other grades are
> produced, nor these other grades themselves disappear during the
> concretion of matter. All that has been accomplished in the way of
> manifestation remains as lines of communication, step by step from 
the
> highest to lowest. The globes are united in one mass of septenary
> substances, interpenetrated and interblended All substances and 
forms
> of matter are produced by the "Soul" and exist for Its purpose, and
> are parts of a continuous process. Just as the elements "fire, air,
> water and earth" are interblended in our bodies and constitute them,
> so with the earth we live on.
> 
> 
> Q. You spoke of the internal power being all the power there is. Is
> there not an external power between the planets in their rotary
> motion?
> 
> A. The external power of anything springs from and is maintained by
> the internal power at the center of everything. 1 speak of the
> centrifugal and centripetal forces as being those which maintain the
> equipoise, but forces do not exist of themselves, they are the
> exhibitions of "energy" and energy is always produced by beings,
> either singly or in mass. Consciousness is at the root of all beings.
> 
> 
> Q. What is meant (page 23) by "The earth is one of seven globes, in
> respect to man's consciousness only"?
> 
> A. As before explained, the earth is composed of seven states or
> degrees of substance. Man also has seven principles or "sheaths of the
> soul", corresponding to and in relation with the substances of which
> the earth is composed; in other words, the various embodiments or
> principles of Man are drawn from the various sub stances which 
compose
> the earth as a septenary mass. When Man is functioning through the
> physical body, he is conscious of the physical plane, or physical
> state of the globe. The others not being perceived are non existent as
> far as his physical perceptions are concerned. When he functions on a
> higher plane of consciousness and substance, he sees that e state of
> the globe and not the physical, and so on with all the rest. He does
> not go anywhere in order to function on higher states of the globe,
> but uses a higher principle within "himself". So, while there are
> seven states of our globe, they are only existent for Man when he
> perceives them. In the S. D., pages 604, 605, Vol. I, the following
> statement is made: "When, therefore, the Secret Doctrine-postulating
> that conditioned or limited space (location) has no real being except
> in this world of illusion, or, in other words, in our perceptive
> faculties- teaches that every one of the higher, as of the lower
> worlds, is interblended with our own objective world; that millions of
> things and beings are, in point of localization, around and in us, as
> we are around, with, and in them; it is no metaphysical figure of
> speech, but a sober fact in Nature, however incomprehensible to our
> senses."
> 
> 
> Q. Can Man be conscious on more than one plane at a time?
> 
> A. He cannot be fully conscious on more than one plane at a time;
> attention divided between two planes would give a mixed and divided
> perception of both.
> 
> 
> Q. How could a perfected man, being conscious ness itself, be
> unconscious on any plane?
> 
> A. There is some confusion in this question. "Consciousness itself"
> indicates the power, or ability to perceive, regardless of its
> application to any particular plane or thing. Being conscious on any
> plane means the applying of one's power to perceive, to the objects of
> that plane.
> 
> 
> Q. We speak of the Lunar Pitris as our physical progenitors. Does that
> mean that they were devoid of intelligence?
> 
> A. Intelligence is at the root of all forms, but there are many
> degrees of intelligence. The Lunar Pitris are that form of physical
> embodiment which was evolved on the Moon and used by incarnating 
egos
> on that planet. They represent and are the Physical line of evolution;
> as the Secret Doctrine says, they are our physical progenitors; our
> bodies are the continuance of that line.
> 
> 
> Q. The moon is said to be a dead planet, and the statement made that
> it affects the earth. How can a dead planet affect the earth or its
> organisms?
> 
> A. The Moon is the former habitation of the stream of evolution now
> going on this earth. As a congeries of progressive beings, it is
> disintegrating; its higher beings and principles are now proceeding on
> this planet and constitute it as it now is. Yet the Moon as a decaying
> world still exists, as a corpse exists after the departure of the
> living person who inhabited it. The corpse decays and the lives which
> compose it tend to separate and enter into their respective kingdoms.
> In this separation of lives and elements, an effect is produced, some
> of which is beneficial to the living organisms and some deleterious.
> If we remember that the Moon represents the Kama Rupa, as well as 
the
> physical body of that planet, and apply what we know of the Human
> corpses and Kama Rupas to it, we may obtain a better conception of 
the
> effects.
> 
> 
> Q. What sets limits to the number of Monads that enter the human
> kingdom?
> 
> A. Simply the number of monads that have progressed far enough to
> enter it. The middle point of this stream of evolution being passed,
> and incipient humans having to begin as such on the highest plane of
> substance, and human evolution having reached its Fourth stage in this
> Round, and also the middle point of the Seven Rounds, monads from 
the
> animal kingdom cannot-in the nature of time and opportunity-reach the
> incipient human stage until the Seventh Round. This is no detriment to
> them, for their intelligence has not reached that point where they are
> sensible of the difference, and their progress towards the human point
> of entrance is not barred in the meantime.
> 
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