Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00259)

Bart Lidofsky: Tell me what you're talking about, and I will tell you 
where the evidence is. 

Brian: Well your evidence of having sex with goats was sufficient for me.

In spite of the fact that millions of people claim "The Protocols of Zion" 
are not a fraud, I say it is. And so are the Mahatma letters that, 
although not identical with, are just as much concocted as The Protocols 
of The Elders Of Zion.

Brian 

--- In theos-talk@y..., Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> brianmuehlbach wrote:
> > Brian: Even without further detail and in spite of squirming 
> > apologetics like Bart and other current day Theosophists, the 
admission 
> > (the whole basis of The Secret Doctrine) that each race is 
associated 
> > with a particular homeland makes a mockery of the disclaimer.
> 
> I realize that English is not your first language, but I am not 
an
> apologetic, nor do I squirm. I am not the one who refuses to answer
> direct questions; you are. And when I'm proven wrong, I admit it. I will
> even frequently thank the person who proved me wrong, for supplying 
me
> with proof. (The term you may have been looking for is "apologist",
> which simply means "defender", but, in current colloquial usage, has 
the
> connotation of defending the indefensible).
> 
> > Steve: forget all the later impostors such as Bailey, leadbeater, etc.
> > 
> > Brian: Despite individual differences between theosophists, there is
> > remarkably little divergence in the evolutionary scheme they present.
> 
> The major difference is whether or not all members of homo 
sapiens are
> of the same race. Virtually all current Theosophists say, "yes", and
> believe that this is the major thrust of both the Secret Doctrine and
> the Mahatma Letters, in spite of a few places here and there where 
the
> writers, being both human and products of their times, unthinkingly 
give
> in to then current prejudices. 
> 
> There are various different ideas of the "bodies" of humanity, 
and
> which ones came from which root races. In the version taught in
> Blavatsky's Esoteric Section, the kama manas was developed during 
the
> 4th Root Race, and the buddhi manas is being developed in the 5th. 
And
> most people, regardless of genetic footnotes like skin color, spend 
most
> or even all of their time without exercising the buddhi manas, living
> entirely in the kama manas. From that point of view, these people are
> still in the 4th Root Race. But you can take any of these individuals,
> put them in a position where they have the opportunity and motivation 
to
> start exercising the buddhi manas, and they will. Modern 
communication
> technology (5th Root Race magic, if you will) has made the 
geographical
> distinctions less and less important. But in much of the world, you have
> people living based on the intellectual discoveries of their ancestors,
> without bothering to find anything new. They do not live; they merely
> exist. And you have plenty of people like that in Germany and the
> United States. And the societies that were based on that ARE dying 
out,
> even if they retain their own cultures, because they are exposed to 
new
> ways of thinking, and therefore must think and choose their actions,
> rather than just automatically doing whatever it is they do.
> 
> > In addition, where is the evidence Blavatsky was not an imposter
> > herself, with that I mean; the "Mahatma Letters" are written pieces 
of
> > paper/letters indeed, but where is the evidence that they are what
> > Theosophists claim they are ?
> 
> What do the Theosophists claim they are? Different 
Theosophist claim
> different things. Tell me what you're talking about, and I will tell you
> where the evidence is. 
> 
> Bart Lidofsky