Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00211)

Somene who is a lurker here and saw the pervers response by Bart 
Lidofski of having sex with goats and so on (another Theosophist on 
theos talk , just to show the level that Theosophists operate on, earlier 
claimed sex with animals was practiced in the ES behind closed doors.

In any case the person that is observing send me following testimony 
that I nevertheless like to pass on:

IT IS EASY TO AWAKEN SOMEONE WHO IS SLEEPING, BUT IMPOSSIBLE 
TO AWAKEN SOMEONE WHO IS PRETENDING TO SLEEP.

I TOO HAVE SPENT TIME AND ENERGY IN THE PAST IN GRAPPLING 
WITH THE DENIAL OF THEOSOPHISTS. I ONCE MOVED TO OJAI 
CALIFORNIA TO STUDY THEOSOPHY AND THE OTHER TS RELATED 
GROUPS HEADQUARTERED IN THIS ONCE ALL-WHITE AREA OF 
EXTREME WEALTH AND PRIVILAGE. THESE GROUPS INCLUDED THE T 
SOCIETY, KRISHNAMURTI'S AND ALICE BAILEY'S AND ROY MASTER'S 
GROUPS, MASONRY, AND THERE WAS ALSO A HEADAQUARTERS OF 
THE TS RELATED INDEPENDENT CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE.

DURING THE MID 1980S I LIVED THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TO 
STUDY CLOSE-UP THESE GROUPS AND THEIR TEACHINGS. 

IN ALL OF MY TIME THERE, I NEVER SAW A SINGLE BLACK / NEGROID 
PERSON AS A MEMBER OF ANY ONE OF THESE GROUPS 
THERE.

MAYBE THERE WERE SOME VERY LIGHT SKINNED MIXED-RACE PEOPLE, 
BUT CLASSICALLY DARK SKINNED AND FEATURED NEGROES WERE 
CONSPICUOUS BY THEIR TOTAL ABSENCE. , BUT NO OBVIOUS 
NEGROES AT ALL IN ANY OF THE TS RELATED GROUPS.

I SAW SOME DARKER SKINNED PEOPLE OF E, INDIAN ORIGINS, BUT NO 
OBVIOUS NEGROES AT ALL IN ANY OF THE TS RELATED GROUPS. 
WHEN I PROBED THE MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS REGARDING THEIR 
IDEAS ABOUT RACE, I ALWAYS GOT THE SAME PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC 
THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY ARYOSOPHIC ROOT-RACES JARGON OUT OF 
THEM. YET, WHILE CONVEYING EXTREMELY RACIST IDEAS, AND 
SHOWING IN THEIR WHITE 'ARYAN' ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITIES, 
THE RACIST EXPRESSION OF THOSE IDEAS, THEY VEHEMENTLY DENIED 
BEING RACISTS ! IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ANY PROGRESS WITH 
THEM, BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY KNEW THAT THEY WERE RACISTS 
AND WERE SIMPLY DENYING IT. THUS I CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE 
WIDE AWAKE AND ONLY PRETENDING TO SLEEP. LIKE THE RACIST 
MASONS, WHOSE LODGES WERE COMPLETELY 'WHITE', THEY 
EXTERNALLY TAUGHT THE 'BROTHERHOOD OF MAN', BUT 
ESOTERICALLY TAUGHT THAT THEIRS' ONLY WAS THE TRUE HUMAN 
RACE TO BE DESIRED IN THE PRESENT. 



YET, WHILE CONVEYING EXTREMELY RACIST IDEAS, AND SHOWING IN 
THEIR WHITE 'ARYAN' ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITIES, THE RACIST 
EXPRESSION OF THOSE IDEAS, THEY VEHEMENTLY DENIED BEING 
RACISTS ! IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ANY PROGRESS WITH THEM, 
BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY KNEW THAT THEY WERE RACISTS AND 
WERE SIMPLY DENYING IT. THUS I CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE 
WIDE AWAKE AND ONLY PRETENDING TO SLEEP. IT IS THE NATURE 
OF ESOTERIC SOCIETIES DO NOT REVEAL THEIR TRUE TEACHINGS TO 
THE UNINITIATED OR OUTSIDERS.

THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER ADMIT THEIR RACISM, SO I WOULD NOT 
WASTE ANY MORE TIME TRYING TO INDIVIDUALY WAKE THEM UP. 
THEY CAN NOT BE ANY NORE HONESTWITH YOU THAN THEY ARE WITH 
THEMSELVES, AND THEY ARE LIVING IN PUBLIC DENIAL OF WHAT THEY 
PRIVATELY BELIEVE AND TEACH.

ALL THAT CAN BE DONE, IS TO CONTINUE TO CHALLENGE THE 
THOUGHT-SYSTEM ITSELF ON THE FACTS (RACIST) AND TO POINT-
OUT THE OUTCOME OF THE THOUGHT-SYSTEM....

IF THESE GROUPS WERE NOT TEACHING RACISM OR PRACTICING IT, 
WHERE WERE ALL THE NEGROES ?

, send --- In theos-talk@y..., Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote: