Theos-Talk Archives (September 2002 Message tt00128)

Bart: Well, let's take a look from a Christian theological perspective. 
Jesus was supposed to be crucified to fulfill HIS prophecy. However, 
Judas,who could claim that he only worked to fulfill this prophecy, was 
damned for all time. 

I think that this is a pretty clear statement that even if someone has
karma coming to them does not absolve those who act as agents of 
karma from the karma of their own actions. How much more is this true 
if the prophecy is merely one's own interpretation of the prophecy?

Brian:Most of these Christian stories are as much fairytales (non 
historical, non verified) as Blavatsky's fictional The Secret Doctrine. 

Frank Reitemeyer/theos-talk wrote: "And why is 2020 the goal? Is that 
the time of Harmageddon, the end of the time for kabbalistic Jews?" 

"Was H.P.Blavatsky working in defense of the Aryans or was she not? 
Did H.P.Blavatysky teach that the Jewish world view (black magic, 
materialism, phallicism, dead letter interpretation) is a malediction or a 
blessing? 

Richard Harte, then secretary to the Theos. Publ. Soc. in London, wrote 
in his introduction to The Hebrew Talisman similar, when he discusses
the "Jewish question"!! Another hint that this term in no way was an
invention of the Nazis. 

Harte speaks of a "plot" which means that human intellect directed the
circumstances for psychical or sentimental purposes which are in direct
opposition to the First Aim of the TS - consequently, in the "Protocols Of 
The Elders OF Zion" an organization is mentioned to tried to fight the 
plot.Here you have the RATIONALE why anti-semitism in Russia, 
Germany, Poland, Britain, France and USA was necessary.

The Holocaust was necessary to fulfill the prophecy of Jehovah at the 
end of the times which was mid of the 20th Century to the Jews. 

Didn't Hitler made several serious and most level-headed peace offers 
to his democratic aggressors?

And what about the World Trade Center? Did it not belong to the 
Rockefeller direction? Does the Rockefeller clan support the religio-
sentimental idea of the Promised Land in Palestine or are they "wordly" 
Jews who want to live in the country in which they are born? Could it be 
that the present crisis is in its origin also an inner Jewish crisis?

Steiner also predicted that soon after 2000 the USA will try to stop free
thinking in all over the world. It is been said that all the world news are 
spread only by five or so news agencies, so it would be an easy task to
control the masses. (end Frank Reitemeyer/theos talk)"

--- In theos-talk@y..., Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> Frank:
> > The Holocaust was necessary to fulfill the prophecy of Jehovah at 
the
> > end of the times which was mid of the 20th Century to the Jews.
> 
> Well, let's take a look from a Christian theological 
perspective. Jesus
> was supposed to be crucified to fulfill HIS prophecy. However, Judas,
> who could claim that he only worked to fulfill this prophecy, was 
damned
> for all time. 
> 
> I think that this is a pretty clear statement that even if 
someone has
> karma coming to them does not absolve those who act as agents of 
karma
> from the karma of their own actions. How much more is this true if the
> prophecy is merely one's own interpretation of the prophecy?
> 
> This was the major error of the interpretation of karma 
through much of
> Indian history. It was used as a tool of those in charge to keep those
> under them from improving their situation. "If you were born an
> outcaste, that is your karma, and therefore we have the right to keep
> you in that position for life" contains two basic errors. The first is
> the assumption that it is the karma of someone born an outcaste to
> remain so for life, and the second is that this absolves those who
> oppress the outcastes from the karma resulting from that oppression. 
> 
> Brian:
> > "Peace" as his motive is kind of relative. He wanted peace with
> > Britain so as to have his hands free for the confrontation (deemed
> > inevitable by him as well as by many outside observers) with the 
Soviet
> > Union. So while offering "peace", he meant war with a single front
> > rather than the two-frond war which had cost Germany so dearly in
> > 1918.
> 
> This is in agreement with virtually every credible historical 
analysis.	
> 
> > Brian: HPB was a confused woman mixing all the stuff she half-
> > comprehended into a Grand synthesis. This included the then-
> > fashionable ideas in popularized science, including electromagnetism
> > and outdated ideas of evolution and race. Religious enthusiasts 
trying 
> > to integrate the latest in science is nothing new, including 
> > astro-symbolism and number mysticism among the ancients.
> 
> HPB was certainly inconsistent in many of her writings. This 
is not to
> be confused with the fact that the overwhelming majority of her 
writings
> had a main philosophy to which she adhered, and that included a belief
> in the basic brotherhood of ALL humanity, not to mention a number of
> ideas which were in direct opposition to the science of the time, but
> which have since been confirmed by scientific study.
> 
> > Even without its political connotations, theosophy has misled many
> > spiritual seekers into a labyrinth of mumbo-jumbo, taken from but
> > tragically devaluing slices of genuine traditions.
> 
> OK, that I'll give you. But, then again, so has virtually every
> religious or philosophical belief since humans learned to talk.
> 
> > Race then became a pseudo-scientific term used in the study of
> > biological, physical or physiognomic differences within the human
> > species, and to support the contention that some sub-groups were
> > genetically superior to others. 
> 
> However, the term "root race" was a made-up term by 
Sinnett, to create
> an English term for a new concept. It was certainly an unfortunate 
term,
> because the "root races" were, physically speaking, separate species
> from modern humanity, and what is commonly called "races" are, as 
you
> point out, very minor genetic varations all belonging to the species,
> homo sapiens. 
> 
> > Two of the many definitions of racism seem to exclude
> > each other. On one hand, racism as the irrational hatred of others 
> > based on color, religion, language, tradition, culture, ethnic group 
> > (according to the UN definition mostly found in Western Europe and 
> > North America, plus their colonies) is a behavior, without a theory 
> > behind it.
> 
> The UN definition was created by a number of groups who 
practice
> oppression of outsiders far beyond anything currently found in the
> United States and Europe. 
> 
> > I do not agree that the holocaust was necessary. Blavatsky's
> > references to root races and that the Aryans were the master race 
of
> > the seven Atlantean races and so on, is fiction.
> 
> Except that Blavatsky's "Aryans" (from a Sanskrit word, 
meaning
> "noble") refer to the species, homo sapiens, and not any subgroup 
within
> them. Although she shows some culturally-based bigotry here and 
there in
> her writings, as I have stated, the main thrust of her writings are
> based on this. (Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about many 
later
> self-styled Theosophical writers, Alice Bailey in particular). 
> 
> Bart Lidofsky