Theos-Talk Archives (September 2002 Message tt00120)

Frank Reitemeyer/theos talk : Was H.P.Blavatsky working in defense of 
the Aryans or was she not? Did H.P.Blavatysky teach that the Jewish 
world view (black magic, materialism, phallicism, dead letter 
interpretation) is a malediction or a blessing? 

Richard Harte, then secretary to the Theos. Publ. Soc. in London, wrote 
in his introduction to The Hebrew Talisman similar, when he discusses
the "Jewish question"!! Another hint that this term in no way was an
invention of the Nazis. 

Harte speaks of a "plot" which means that human intellect directed the
circumstances for psychical or sentimental purposes which are in direct
opposition to the First Aim of the TS - consequently, in the "Protocols Of =


The Elders OF Zion" an organization is mentioned to tried to fight the 
plot.Here you have the RATIONALE why anti-semitism in Russia, 
Germany, Poland, Britain, France and USA was necessary.

The Holocaust was necessary to fulfill the prophecy of Jehovah at the 
end of the times which was mid of the 20th Century to the Jews.  

Didn't Hitler made several serious and most level-headed peace offers 
to his democratic aggressors?

Brian: "Peace" as his motive is kind of relative. He wanted peace with 
Britain so as to have his hands free for the confrontation (deemed 
inevitable by him as well as by many outside observers) with the Soviet 
Union. So while offering "peace", he meant war with a single front 
rather than the two-frond war which had cost Germany so dearly in 
1918.

Frank Reitemeyer/theos talk:The Holocaust was necessary to fulfill the 
prophecy of Jehovah at the end of the times which was mid of the 20th 
Century to the Jews. 
And what about the World Trade Center? Did it not belong to the 
Rockefeller direction? Does the Rockefeller clan support the religio-
sentimental idea of the Promised Land in Palestine or are they "wordly" 
Jews who want to live in the country in which they are born? Could it be 
that the present crisis is in its origin also an inner Jewish crisis?

Steiner also predicted that soon after 2000 the USA will try to stop free
thinking in all over the world. It is been said that all the world news are=


spread only by five or so news agencies, so it would be an easy task to
control the masses. (end Frank Reitemeyer/theos talk)

Brian: HPB was a confused woman mixing all the stuff she half-
comprehended into a Grand synthesis. This included the then-
fashionable ideas in popularized science, including electromagnetism 
and outdated ideas of evolution and race. Religious enthusiasts trying to =


integrate the latest in science is nothing new, including astro-symbolism 
and number mysticism among the ancients. 

Even without its political connotations, theosophy has misled many 
spiritual seekers into a labyrinth of mumbo-jumbo, taken from but 
tragically devaluing slices of genuine traditions.

The origin of the word "race" has been traced back by Lopes Pegna. In 
Medieval Italian the term razzo was coined from the ancient French 
word haraz, and both were used to designate artificial selections in 
horse breeding. Probably the 12th century Arab word for horse, faras, 
was introduced in France by participants in the Crusades. Other 
explanations start from the Latin word ratio, which developed in late 
Latin into aratiae for "reasons," and then into "type," "variety," 
and "species." In the 15th century the meaning of raza in Spain was 
extended to breeds of dogs, and by the 18th century the term had been 
redefined and applied anthropologically in order to describe the diversity =


among human beings. 

Race then became a pseudo-scientific term used in the study of 
biological, physical or physiognomic differences within the human 
species, and to support the contention that some sub-groups were 
genetically superior to others. Although manifold convictions 
of "traditional" racism still persist, there is scientific consensus that r=

ace 
as a biological concept has no relevance to human beings. 
The terms race, racism and related words nevertheless remain in 
frequent usage. Two of the many definitions of racism seem to exclude 
each other. On one hand, racism as the irrational hatred of others based 
on color, religion, language, tradition, culture, ethnic group (according t=

o 
the UN definition mostly found in Western Europe and North America, 
plus their colonies) is a behavior, without a theory behind it. According 
to the UN Subcommission on Human Rights, racial discrimination is an 
ideology, and racism is the ensuing act of violence. 
 
A well-documented example of the nature of exclusion and 
discrimination in Europe, and the problems associated with applying the 
term racism, is found in the long history of Jewish-Christian tensions. 
>From the beginning, assimilation occurred between Judaism and 
Christianity, and the threat of disappearing differences has been a 
constant in Christian-Jewish relations. Christian anti-Judaism had its 
roots in the 4th century, when Christianity became the religion of the 
Roman empire, and emerged as a distinct form of discrimination at least 
as early as 633, when converted Jews were held in suspicious of 
being "fictitious" Christians. 

Pogroms and violence against Jews were frequent throughout the Middle 
Ages. Some authors cite the "Spanish obsession" with converted Jews 
during the reconquista and inquisition as some of the earliest examples 
of racist behavior. However, the suspicion against converted Jews at 
that time was not linked to their biological features. It was directed 
against their supposed "fake" acceptance of Christianity, and their 
continuing worship of the Jewish religion after baptism. Even if the 
expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492 was accompanied by various and 
numerous examples of barbarian violence, and other general 
accusations of exclusion FN 2, the matter was rooted in religion and not 
race. Generally, anti-Judaism is the correct name of these religious 
conflicts in which Christians discriminated against Jews. One can convert 
to another religion, while one cannot convert to another race. 
The observations of a 17th century Viennese writer also indicate that 
anti-Jewish behavior was more characteristic of xenophobia than 
racism. 

Legal equality eventually was initiated to counter such destructive 
trends: First Austria's Joseph II's Toleranzpatent and next Napoleon's 
post-revolutionary law in 1807 eliminated all juridical limitation for Jews=

. 
Political rule was wrested from the hands of church leaders, and 
assimilation slowly undermined the outward signs that enabled Jew and 
Christian to be differentiated. 

But "science" soon emerged to fill the gap and provide a new basis for 
discrimination. Free from church prohibition, early "anthropologists" 
began to explore the human body and genetics, including "natural 
sciences" such as craniology, the measure of criminal potential by skull 
analyses. Detailed studies of "race," such as the infamous work of 
Joseph Artur Comte de Gobineau, divided humanity in the two basic 
categories: white and colored. But in 1853 Gobineau included Jews as 
part of the white race, although any mixture of races was considered to 
produce mediocrity and ruin. 

In the late 1850s and 1860s, anti-Judaists began to use 
scientific "racism" as a justification for their "anti-Semitism," and it wa=

s 
only then that the concept itself was consistently and 
specifically "justified." Finally there was scientific proof why they hated=

 
Jews. A new paradigm took over the discourse of exclusion, but it was 
scientism, not science, that legitimized political positions. In some cases=

 
even Jewish intellectuals "recognized" the inferiority of their "race". 
Science could not be doubted.

The rest of the story is too well known: the implementation of 
these "scientific principles". In Europe the mania of the Nazis, and the 
extermination of Jews and Gypsies during World War II.

Blavatsky integrated quite of bit of Qabalistic lore, itself of course a =


synthesis of Pythagoras, neo-Platonism, Judaism proper and some other 
stuff. How are universal phenomena like "phallicism" and "black magic" 
typical of a "Jewish world view"?

I do not agree that the holocaust was necessary. Blavatsky's 
references to root races and that the Aryans were the master race of 
the seven Atlantean races and so on, is fiction. 

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--- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> wrote:
> "The Mahatma Letters" in India apparently were initially produced to 
> attract two prominent Englishmen into the T.S., Alfred Sinnett, the 
> editor of a leading newspaper in India, and A.O. Hume who had a 
> position with the British Government. 
> 
> Much of Blavatsky`s fame among the Anglo-Indians and the re-start
> of the T.S. after its demise in New York (where almost all of the 
former 
> founders and members left) were the result of attracting Hume and 
> Sinnet. 
> 
> Hume and Sinnett at first didn`t feel that the letters met with
> the standards of a Master. In the place of answers to their 
metaphysical 
> questions they received constant injunctions to be kind and 
> understanding to HPB. "You can hardly be too indulgent with her," 
> Mahatma Koot Hoomi told them, and for a while they obeyed him.  
The 
> Mahatma Letters played with notions of their own fictitiousness in 
> sophisticated ways, calling attention to the Mahatmas` status as 
> inventive inventions: having been "`invented` ourselves," the
> Masters noted, they "repay the inventors by inventing" increasingly 
> complicated "imaginary" doctrines as a way of avoiding accusations of 
> inconsistency or internal contradiction in their teachings. (KH to
> Sinnet, Letter No. 24B) 
> 
> Distressed by Blavatskys intermediary role in the communications, the 
> men decided to send a letter to the "Maha Chohan," another Master, 
> asking to correspond directly without the meddling hand of Blavatsky. 
> Unfortunately, there was then no option but to give the sealed letter
> to Blavatsky for forwarding as usual. She retired to her room with it, 
> supposedly intending to play the piano while magically precipitating
> the envelope to its destination, but a very different kind of music was
> heard from the room a few minutes later, when she emerged 
screaming 
> betrayal and treason, having opened the letter and read it. 
> 
> Another incident occurred after Sinnett published some of "Koot 
> Hoomi`s" letters in his first book, The Occult World (1881). The 
> American, Henry Kiddle, was upset to find in one of Koot Hoomi`s
> letters a passage lifted almost verbatim from a speech he had 
published 
> in the spiritualist journal, Light. He contacted Sinnett, did not receive=

 
a=
> 
> reply, and charged him with plagiarism. Blavatsky took offense and 
> countered disdainfully: 
> 
> Koot Hoomi plagiarized from Kiddle! Ye gods and little fishes ... 
> Plagiarize from the BANNER OF LIGHT!!-that sweet spirits` slop
> basin! 
> 
> Surrounded by controversy and the focus of accusations, H.P.
> Blavatsky was forced to rationalize the existence of the copied text. 
She
> explained that Koot Hoomi had somehow picked up Kiddle`s speech 
on 
> the astral radio waves and then forgotten about it, in the way that one
> reproduces phrases without thinking. 
> 
> In a letter to Sinnett, Blavatsky as Koot Hoomi, spent pages
> rationalizing the "very puzzling psychological mystery" explaining 
> that "he" had been tired and had let slip the inaccurate work of a 
chela 
> who "transcribed" his letter for him. "Koot Hoomi" rationalized that he 
> was trying to make a very different point than the original Kiddle 
speech. =
> 
> 
> So, even though he admitted borrowing Mddle`s words, K.H. changed 
> the meaning by the few "extra" words he added to the original speech 
> (Barker, Mahatma Letters no. 93). 
> 
> In another attempt to rationalize plagiarism, "Koot Hoomi," answered
> a question posed by Sinnett about the origin of one of his statements: 
> "Quotation from Tennyson? Really cannot say. Some stray lines picked 
> up in the astral light or in somebody`s brain and remembered" The 
> Mahatma Letters are revered and studied by believers all over the
> world as first communications from the elusive Masters. Along with 
> assorted pseudoscientific and metaphysical stream of consciousness 
> ramblings, the legendary letters contain chatty gossip and mundane 
> banalities. 
> Some letters contain Theosophical teachings; others are rants against 
> people, situations, and perceived persecutions. 
> 
> It is common for mediums to employ a different handwritings as their 
> own in so called "spirit writing" just as they will speak in foreign
> accents and so called "foreign languages" without their "conscious" 
> doing. Theéodore Flournoy already made a study about this one 
hundred
> years before Blavatsky called "From India to the Planet Mars" (
> re-published by Princeton University Press.) 
> 
> Blavatskys hand is all too obvious in the writings, which uses much
> of her language and many of her unique, colorful expressions. There 
are 
> too many similarities in syntax and usage to say they came from
> Masters or any source outside of Blavatsky. Observations and 
comments 
> on actions of Theosophical members-of which she had intimate 
> knowledge, the blatant support of her positions in which she had a 
> vestedinterest, and lack of scientific knowledge-which should have 
been 
> available to a real Master, point to Blavatsky as the author. Either the =


> letters came from Masters or from the very earthy woman, Blavatsky.  
> Their content and means of arrival. 
> 
> In "The Letters of H.P. Blavatsky to A.P. Sinnett" p.306, Blavatsky 
> dismissed the Masters herself as "selfish Asiatics." 
> The concepts of "the Monad" as frequently mentioned in "the 
Mahatma 
> letters from Tibet" were published in countless books in 18th and
> 19th century Europe, so are the Ideas of "planetary cycles" suddenly
> showing up in the "materialized" letters from the "Masters in Tibet." 
> 
> In Hansen`s History of the Theosophical Movement, there is a
> revealing comment by Annie Besant. During the, "Judge Affair", she 
> made reference to the handwriting adopted by H.P. Blavatsky in the
> "Mahatma Letters" and said W.Q Judge (President of the USA T.S. ) 
had 
> stolen it for his own Mahatma letters. 
> 
> Olcott challenged Judge, in what became a public controversy in the 
> Theosophical Society with accusations of fraud. An investigation into 
> Judge`s conduct and the letters was instigated. 
> 
> Annie Besant tried to soothe matters by saying that Judge had
> received the messages psychically and had erred by writing them 
down 
> in Blavatskys hand in imitation of the Masters. 
> 
> This is in line with Harrison who wrote that the Master script was 
> different from HPB's handwriting. But if Judge could fake this, why not 
> Blavatsky herself ?
> 
> K. Paul Johnson when asked it mentioned in an interview ; 
> Harrison is quite explicit in saying that he does not claim 
> to "demonstrate from an analysis of Madame Blavatsky's 'ordinary' 
> writing that she could not have been responsible for the KH letters." 
> Nevertheless, I get the distinct impression that his study is being 
> put to polemical use by Theosophists overinterpreting Harrison 
> as "vindicating" HPB -- which he explicitly told me, in person, that 
> he has not done.
> Harrison allows for the possibility that in altered 
> states of consciousness HPB wrote in handwritings so different from 
> that of her normal waking personality that they could not be 
> recognized as coming from the same hand, even by experts. Given 
> Olcott's testimony to this effect, and abundant references to HPB 
> as "amanuensis" of the Masters, it seems to me the most plausible 
> explanation of the physical origin of most of the Mahatma letters. 
> There are two particular logical problems I find in Harrison's study, 
> specifically in his Replies to Criticism. First, he distinguishes 
> between Hodgson's thesis that HPB was "an ingenious but common 
> fraudster and impostor having no supernatural powers whatever" who 
> produced the KH letters with intent to deceive and the alternative 
> that the writing was "received automatically, in trance, sleep, etc., 
> unknown to the conscious personality until he or she reads it." These 
> are presented as mutually exclusive alternatives that exhaust the 
> possibilities. I think the evidence leads us rather to consider that 
> different letters were produced in different circumstances, and that 
> no one-size-fits-all assumptions about those circumstances can be 
> stretched to accommodate the various instances of questionable 
> authorship. 
> 
> Second, Harrison asks "if we accept Olcott's testimony as evidence 
> that HPB could write in altered states of consciousness, do we accept 
> his further testimony" about a specific paranormal event he 
> witnessed, and "if not, why not? I do not see how you can select or 
> reject evidence to suit your argument. Olcott's testimony is that HPB 
> possessed psychic powers in abundance. You cannot accept both 
Olcott 
> and Hodgson." My response to this is to say that we can accept 
> Olcott's testimony as evidence of what he believed he had witnessed 
> without accepting that his interpretation of his experience was 
> accurate. That HPB appeared to be writing in a trance state from 
> which she emerged with no memory, that she behaved as if this were 
> the case, can be accepted as fact based on Olcott's testimony and 
> others from the period. That she "possessed psychic powers in 
> abundance" is Olcott's inference and not at all in the same category 
> of evidence. Contemporary scholars cannot accept either Hodgson or 
> Olcott as infallible interpreters of evidence, nor as unbiased 
> reporters of that evidence. But each is a crucial primary source, and 
> the testimony of each must be included in the process of sifting and 
> weighing evidence for and against HPB's claims. Each deserves full, 
> skeptical scrutiny. Neither can be assumed to be always right or 
> always wrong. But the gist of Harrison's study, as I see it 
> being "spun" by Theosophists, is to dismiss Hodgson across the board 
> and allow continued acceptance of Olcott's and HPB's claims as 
> entirely reliable. 
> 
> In the same interview Paul Johnson mentioneed; The only plausible 
> explanation to my mind is that they are a collaboration between HPB
> and Indian associates who are feeding her information. As to how they
> were physically produced, I consider that a blind alley and waste of 
time.
> 
> No one will ever know. Damodar could have been helpful as a source 
> drawn on by HPB for his inside knowledge of Indian religion, as were 
> Subba Row and Mohini. 
> 
> The volume of the letters does not require a large network of fellow 
> conspirators, or a small one, or in fact any at all. Given what we 
> know of HPB's ability to produce a large volume of writing in a short 
> time, composing the Mahatma letters in the time period in which they 
> appeared is quite within her abilities. The circumstances of the 
> letters' delivery would, in a few cases, require some conspirators. 
> Among those suggested by other writers have been Damodar and the 
> servant Babula; in the case of the Coulombs two witnesses confessed 
> to having been part of a conspiracy. 
> 
> Sotheran co-founder of the TS who worked verry 
> closely with Blavatsky made it clear that the "confident interpretations =


of=
>  
> the Society are fallacious" and that hPB was totally without occult 
> power. "Afther intimate knowledge of her for a considerable period. I 
> can affirm that in my humble opinion she possesses NONE 
WHATEVER, 
> notwithstanding she may have psychlologized herself and her 
champions 
> into believing so"
> 
> (Sotheran, "To the Editor of the Banner of Light" 
> 28/26, Januari 15,1876)
> 
> See also: http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/ascendedm.html