Theos-Talk Archives (August 2002 Message tt00269)

Dallas: The general theories current when the S D was written over 110
years ago, are still in place.

Brian: Please present your evidence that supports your creation myth 
other then religious belief alias the belief supernatural Hierarchical 
beings that supposed to have created this planet acording to the SD.

And the evolution of modern man since he split of from the chimps. 

give us your scientific theory of theosophical creationism, and tell us 
how we can test it using a scientific method. 
Brian



--- In theos-talk@y..., <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> 
> Part 4 ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS AT AN INFORMAL "OCEAN OF
> THEOSOPHY" CLASS
> 
> Chapter I -- Masters & Mahatmas -- pp. 31 - 34
> (end of chapter)
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Q. What is meant by keeping "A Witness on the scene" for
> future generations?
> p.31
> 
> A. If there was not a fresh statement of such portions of
> the ancient Wisdom-Religion as the minds of the people could
> understand-especially on a descending cycle-when
> materialistic conceptions prevailed in regard to religion
> and life, as it did at the time of Jesus, and to a great
> extent does yet-human spiritual conceptions would be
> gradually lost sight of in the material and intellectual
> struggle for existence as physical beings. When an age of
> transition arrives, when peoples, governments, religions and
> sciences are changing, as they now are, the time arrives for
> an incomparably greater revealing by Those who Know, of the
> nature of Man and the laws that govern the evolution of all
> beings. The one who imparts that knowledge to Humanity is
> much more than a "witness on the scene."
> 
> 
> Q. Why should India and China have retrograded if they still
> have these old truths ?
> 
> A. We must not forget that the India of the past is not the
> present India. Once the true knowledge existed there, as in
> China. In India especially the ancient writings have been
> preserved more than in any other nation; but the caste
> system based upon physical heredity which was later
> established by egos of a lower grade than those of the
> earlier days of India's greatness, and the selfish
> withholding from the lower castes of such knowledge as the
> Brahmins possessed, in no long time caused ignorance and
> superstition to prevail. From this cause there arose
> hundreds of sects; religion became a matter of ritual,
> ceremonies and many degrading customs, and the power of
> India to influence the world was lost. Both India and China
> present living examples of the rise and fall of
> civilizations.
> 
> 
> Q. What brings this knowledge back ?
> 
> A. The Lodge of Masters who preserve it and present as much
> as can be assimilated again and again at different periods
> all down the ages. Theosophy is one such presentation and
> the most complete on record.
> p.32.
> 
> 
> Q. On page 12 it speaks of hypnotism as being known to
> Theosophy long ago: what is hypnotism?
> 
> A. Hypnotism is a modern name for a power known for ages. By
> means of this power, one who has it and uses it on his
> fellowmen, paralyzes that channel in the brain of his
> subject through which the subject, as Ego, operates and
> controls his brain. This action prevents the subject from
> receiving any other impressions than those suggested by the
> operator, in ordinary cases. One of the peculiarities of
> this hypnotic state is that the subject does not know what
> occurred while in it, and has no memory of what transpired,
> nor is he aware that any time has elapsed. In this state the
> subject may be impressed to perform any kind of action at
> some subsequent time, and will do so. Crimes have been
> committed under such suggestions, the subject being ignorant
> of the fact that the suggestion of the operator led to and
> impelled the act. Occasionally the subject gets beyond the
> control of the operator and may disclose what are called
> different "personalities." These may be memories of past
> experiences, or as is more likely, contacts with other
> beings constituting an obsession; for the state is a
> defenseless one. This practice is considered to be Black
> Magic by the Ancient Schools because it is an interference
> with the free-will of the Ego as regards his bodily
> instrument. The continuation of the practice upon any
> subject brings about an increasing tendency to be swayed and
> thrown off his normal balance by the feelings and
> suggestions of others about him, as well as by invisible
> beings, the existence of whom is not yet admitted by Western
> science. The one who practices this black art, is on the
> high road to become a Black Magician.
> 
> 
> Q. Are Hypnotism and Mesmerism the same ?
> p.33
> 
> A. No. They are the opposite of each other. In hypnotism,
> the operator actually passes into the subject some of his
> ethereal substance which carries with it the qualities good
> or bad of the operator; this acts upon the capillary veins
> and nerves from without as a repression-which is one of the
> characteristics of sleep and death. Whereas in Mesmerism
> so-called, the effect is from within outwards, an opening
> up, instead of a contraction and repression; no suggestion
> is used, and the subject can move in accordance with his own
> nature and qualities. In neither of these states is any
> knowledge possible, although subsequent effects may flow
> uncontrolled and unsuspected by the subject. Self-control is
> the great desideratum and neither of these states leads to
> it, but on the contrary tends to destroy it. There may be
> rare exceptions, where one knows the nature of Man and the
> effects that will be produced by any operation upon the
> subject; then either of these operations may be used for the
> benefit of the subject, but never for control or out of
> curiosity.
> 
> 
> Q. Mr. Judge speaks of carbon being in suspension
> everywhere. I thought that carbon had its place in the
> mineral kingdom and always remained there?
> 
> A. Carbon, like all other precipitated elements known to us,
> is in suspension everywhere. None of these elements are
> perceptible to us until in precipitated form. Carbon is a
> specific form of embodiment for a certain class of
> intelligence-which is true of all forms. Carbon is carbon,
> whether in the precipitated form, the vegetable or animal,
> in solution, or in the air about us. There being an
> intelligence of a certain kind in carbon, that intelligence
> has its own specific range of action in its contact with
> other forms and intelligences. The use of carbon in the
> human form, for instance, is not because it is carbon
> so-called, but because of its qualities-in reality, because
> of its intelligent action. Because of the
> p.34
> 
> oneness of source of all beings and forms of matter, there
> are transmutations going on all the time; the mineral
> elements might be called "crystallized intelligence" and in
> that state be dormant, but in commingling with other
> elements many possible degrees and kinds of activity are
> released and find play. The dormant or inactive state might
> be classed as a kind of "devachan" for that kind of
> conscious ness, and the commingling as a period of
> "manifestation." In all these comminglings the action of one
> or more kinds of consciousness upon others imparts to them
> other trends toward a fuller expression of intelligence
> through form. Through the commingling of two forms of
> intelligence a third form for both may be produced; for
> instance, two parts of Hydrogen to one part of Oxygen-both
> gases-will, by being fused by the electric spark, produce a
> third element- entirely unlike the original constituents.
> This transmutation is continually going on in the evolution
> of form or embodiments of beings of every grade, and is the
> result of the Evolutionary impulse given to sub stance by
> intelligent beings of every degree. The Universe is embodied
> Consciousness.
> 
> 
> Q. Mr. Judge speaks of Telepathy: when is that possible?
> 
> A. Telepathy is possible when two people are attuned to the
> same thought, will and feeling at the same time. In such
> case the thought of one will reach the other wherever he may
> be.
> 
> 
> Q. So many people who read the "Ocean" say that it is hard
> to understand: why is this, when the book is written in such
> simple terms ?
> 
> A. It would be difficult to write a book that would give an
> outline of the Universal Science in simpler terms than those
> used in the "OCEAN." The difficulty in understanding does
> not lie in the modes of expression used in the book, but in
> the minds of
> p.35
> 
> would-be students, whose hard and fast conclusions as to
> men, things and methods stand in the way of their grasping
> the meaning of the ideas so simply expressed. No doubt those
> who find the "Ocean" difficult would call themselves
> intelligent people, but the intelligence usually displayed
> is merely an acquaintance with what scientists,
> religionists, materialists and others have said or written,
> and is not a direct use of thinking power; the minds of such
> are simply store-houses for the thoughts, ideas and acts of
> others. In order to really understand Theosophy, all that
> has been stored up in the way of previous conceptions and
> prejudices has to be laid aside for the time being,
> especially during the time of reading or study, in order
> that the meaning of the Teacher may be fully grasped by the
> mind. In order to gain knowledge of that Science which is a
> synthesis of all Life and Nature, the mind must be clear and
> clean, free from all preconceptions and prejudices, and
> devoted wholly to the acquisition of the Science, if one
> would learn and know it. As a preliminary to this study, the
> Three Fundamental Propositions of Theosophy should be well
> learned, understood, and applied to the problems of life, as
> well as to the detailed philosophy 'which the "Ocean"
> presents.
> 
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