Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00032)

John: "Here is a Url for the "Horten" and other designs. These were 
probably one of the root sources that contributed to the Mythology 
you mentioned." 

Unfortunately the link doesn't work but I know this, and yes, the 
Horten flying wings is even what started of the American UFO wave. In 
fact the drawing Kenneth Arnold ,whose "sighting" started the UFO 
wave, made wasn't round but more like the Horten wing design. 

Many of the legends also try to bring forrester Schauberger into the 
story, but a recent biography that came out in Germany shows on hand 
of original documents that the fact he would have build the first 
flying saucer is a myth. Although it is true that he was forced to 
work for the Nazi's and US interests attempted to get watever 
information he had out of him during a visit to the US after the war.

All these story's about German flying devices are ridled with 
disinformation, because already the Nazi's at the time they where 
loosing the war, urgently needed to short up moral among the German 
population that saw their relativs coming back in body bags, so the 
German secret service purposely transformed these simple designs that 
where made into stories about "powerful secret weapons" that would 
make Germany "win" the war, if people would only hold on ! So Hitler 
can be seen greeting teen age boys encouraging them to defend Berlin 
from the allied forches that where closing in on the city. 
The same tactic of the German secret service during the war has been 
continued by some of the same people afther the war, now becoming 
the "neo" nazi movement that also urgently deeded strengthening of 
their moral.

The reason Germany was interested in a saucer form design has 
notting to do with "outher space" by the way, but is because they 
hoped they could take off without runways. Months of around-the-clock 
bombing by the allies had reduced German runways to rubble. The Third 
Reich's only hope of using their jet-engine propulsion system atoll 
would be to install it in a vertical-takeoff-and-landing aircraft. 
And is probably what Etzionis reffering to with : "What I remember 
from Memory, is that after the collapse of Germany, the Americans 
found in an air strip a flying object, which looked spherical, like a 
saucer, with jet propelled engines. It was presumably one of the 
first testing models for a jet aircaraft."

Allied intelligence had heard of this German intelligence propaganda 
and where of course curious to find out what it was all about, so 
they looked for the two Horten brothers. Trained as pilots and 
engineers, they had close connections to the Reich's high command. 
The information provided to Army intelligence said they were believed 
to have persuaded German leaders to construct a fleet of saucer-
shaped bombers. U.S. military historians acknowledge that the Horten 
brothers built and flew prototypes of circular and flying-wing 
aircraft.
But they dismiss these craft as aeronautical curiosities with no 
military value. However the Roswell crash and the Kenneth Arnold 
sighting show the US did experiment with it and tried to develop it 
further.

But this is of course a far cry of what the neo nazi's are claiming. 
In fact the japanese had also started to build a flying device, but 
this was a suicide-piloted version of the Fugo incendiary bomb. 
During the Second World War, the Japanese launched these unmanned 
high-altitude balloons in the hope that they would land in the 
Pacific Northwest, explode, ignite forest fires and thereby deprive 
the war effort of needed lumber. The effort was an obvious failure, 
except that the Roswell (ofthen also claimed to be a balloon) crash 
item was a cross between the Horten wing and a Fugo.

And reg. Frank Reitemeyer:"George Adamski who in the early 1950's 
said that the UFO inhabitants with whom he will have talked, spoke 
German."(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3718)

J.Vallee gives an important clue about the occult-Nazi connection 
to UFOs on pp. 192 & 193 of "Messengers of Deception "(Berkeley: 
And/Or Press, 1979)...contactee George Adamski (from the Royal Order 
of Tibet) had prewar connections with American fascist leader William 
Dudley Pelly who was also a promoter of the Master myth.

Another famed contactee, George Van Tassel, was associated with 
Pelley and with the Reverend Wesley Swift founder of the group which 
metamorphosed into the Aryan nations.

Ernst Zundel then started to use the Nazi-UFO survival myth that 
first only circulated within neo-Nazi occult secret societys, more 
publicly.

In fact it started with the 1971's Gotzen gegen Thule (Godlets 
Against Thule), by Wilhelm Landig. It involves a was between the 
Thulean/Aryan from the North, who derive their power from the "Black 
Sun" which supposedly exists in the center of the Earth, and 
the "Hebrew magicians" who derive their power from the Ark of the 
Covenant and the godlet (Yahweh) who lives inside of it, and whose 
conspiracy is being orchestrated by Freemasons. The Thuleans 
consider themselves to be inheritors of the Cathar tradition, and fly 
around in Vril-powered aircraft. Their war with the Hebrews in a 
continuation of the inner Earth battle going on between the City of 
Schamballah, ruled by the King of Fear, and Agartha, ruled by the 
Lord of the World. 

Then, says Landig, the blue and gold banner of the Aryans will fly 
again, and the Black Sun of their nigredo will turn to silver.

Savitri Devi a Theosophist was then rediscovered by Ernst Zundel, and 
went on to become a popular figure among neo-nazis worldwide. Savitri 
Devi whose book was published by the Adyar TS , promoted the belief 
that Hitler was an avatar.


Brigitte