Theos-Talk Archives (May 2001 Message tt00142)

Saturday, May 19, 2001

Dear Friend:

Permit me to observe that appear to be some differences between
what H.P.B. has originally taught us and what those who followed
after her death have speculated on.


CYCLES in years

H.P.B. in THE SECRET DOCTRINE Vol. 2, pp 68-70 gives a full
table and explains the lengths of cycles ( see S.D. II 68-70. )

ATMA the UNIVERSAL SPIRITUAL principle as far as Theosophical
Metaphysics go is unchanging. It is not a substance but the
noumenon of substance. ( see S.D. I 570-5 )

ATMA is not "a Principle" but the SYNTHESIS of all 6 "principles"
(S.D. I 334 )

As far as I can find out, H.P.B. makes no ratio definitions of
the length of stay in Devachan. In several places in the KEY TO
THEOSOPHY she states that THE AVERAGE STAY IN DEVACHAN IS ABOUT
1,500 YEARS. She makes no relation to the length of life in a
specific incarnation.
( see KEY pp. 132 145 170 191-2 ]

H.P.B. states that the length of stay in Devachan is
proportionate to the altruistic ideation and the good deeds
performed by anyone. (see KEY pp. 107-8 133, 147-8, 169-70,
177-8, 184-5, 216-7)

I have not found any statement as to the relation of the Dhyan
Chohans to the use or non-use of "kundalini." The two subjects
seem to be unrelated in so far as our speculations relate.

Dallas.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:36 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Effort & Evolution

Some food for thought:

G de Purucker, STUDIES IN OCCULT PHILOSOPHY (one of my favorite
books) has
much to say about some of the topics I have been discussing. I
recognize
that some list-members are not familiar with de Purucker, but he
is well
worth reading.

On page 9 he lists the yugas and their length in years.

On page 81 he has an extremely interesting article titled "There
is no
eternally unchanging principle in man" in which he notes that
even atma is
changing and growing.

On page 161 he notes that the lifetime of our manvantara is
4,320,000,000
years.

Somewhere (can't recall where right now) he mentions that there
is a rule of
thumb to the effect that the average person spends 100 years in
devachan for
each year lived, and that the average life on Earth was about 15
years so
that the average devachan was 1,500 years.

Thus we can, on the average, expect to undergo
4,320,000,000/1,515=(about)2,851,000 lifetimes during this
manvantara.

On page 198 he says that at the end of the 7th Round "as then
having
completed the evolutionary course for this planetary chain, will
leave this
planetary chain as Dhyan-Chohans" etc, etc.

So, we can reasonably expect that the evolutionary force of
kundalini will
carry us up to Dhyan-Chohans after almost 3 million lifetimes
with little or
no effort expended other than normal evolutionary development
vis-a-vis
learning lessons via our incarnations. If we want to shorten this
apparently
long time period, we can expend energy through meditation and
compassion,
but he never (and neither does Blavatsky) says that we have to.

Jerry S.